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Article V Convention Legislation filed in Congress shows how Applications will be counted: it’s not what Lobbyists promised you

By Publius Huldah (Joanna Martin, J.D.)

Legislation recently filed in Congress shows that the assurances pro-convention lobbyists have been making to State Legislators to induce them to apply to Congress for Congress to call a Convention under Article V of our Constitution are false.

These lobbyists have convinced too many State Legislators that our Framers said that when the federal government violates the Constitution, the solution is to get a convention to amend the Constitution. Our Framers never said such a silly thing But that is what is behind the push for an Article V convention.

Article V of our Constitution provides two methods of amending the Constitution 1) Congress may propose amendments by two-thirds majority in both Houses; or 2) Congress, upon the applications of two-thirds of the State Legislatures, calls a convention where the Delegates may propose amendments. The second method has never been used – it’s dangerous!

Nevertheless, the pro-convention lobby has been assuring State Legislators that a Convention is perfectly safe because State Legislatures will control it: They will determine the amendments to be considered at the Convention; Congress can’t call a convention until Congress receives 34 applications from State Legislatures which ask for the same amendment; and Delegates to the convention may consider nothing but amendments requested by 34 State Legislatures.

If Congress calls a convention, would Congress or the Delegates to the Convention be constrained by the Lobbyists’ assurances to State Legislators?

Of course not! The Delegates – as Sovereign Representatives of The People – would have the self-evident Right, recognized by the Declaration of Independence, “to alter or to abolish” our “Form of Government.” Accordingly, Congress isn’t empowered by Article V or anything else in the Constitution to call a limited convention restricted to considering only the amendments requested by 34 State Legislatures.

And now, legislation consistent with this “self-evident Right” has been recently filed in Congress:

On July 19, 2022, Congressman Jodey Arrington of Texas introduced H.Con.Res.101, which calls a convention; and H.R. 8419, which sets forth how applications for a convention are to be counted.

These Resolutions show that the convention pushers’ assurances that Delegates to the Convention can do nothing but consider amendments requested by 34 State Legislatures, are false:

H.C.R. 101 §1(a) (1) says, “…Congress hereby calls a convention for proposing amendments…”

H.R. 8419 creates subsection (c) of 1 U.S. Code, § 106, which directs the Archivist of the United States to count all non-rescinded applications asking Congress to call a Convention; and to notify Congress of its duty to call a Convention when the Archivist receives non-rescinded applications for a Convention from two-thirds of the States.

H.R. 8419 doesn’t permit the Archivist to sort the applications by the amendments specified by State Legislatures. Instead, H.R. 8419 directs the Archivist to count all non-rescinded applications together.

One group pushing for a Convention has already admitted that Congress can “mix & match” the various applications for a convention: This group combined non-rescinded applications passed in 1789, several passed in 1861 to avert the Civil War, and during 1901 for popular election of US Senators with applications passed in recent decades for a balanced budget amendment. 1

And the Archivist of the United States is, in effect, directed by H.R. 8419 to mix and match the various applications! If an application is non-rescinded, the Archivist is directed to count it to get to 34.

So H.C.R. 101 & H.R. 8419 really are consistent with the “self-evident right” of a People to alter or abolish their government and set up a new one. And they reveal that whoever drafted these Resolutions also understands that State Legislatures have no power to dictate what is considered by Delegates at the convention. In State Legislatures’ applications to Congress for a convention, they sometimes insist that they will control the convention (see p. 2, line 19 thru p. 7 of this application in the Pennsylvania Senate); but the Truth is that the Constitution sets forth what Congress has the power to do respecting an Article V Convention; and State Legislatures cannot change this by wishful thinking. And State Legislatures cannot dictate to Congress how Congress is to exercise a power the Constitution grants to Congress!

If Congress calls an Article V convention, you can be sure that a new Constitution will be imposed on us. 2 The convention of 1787 was called “for the sole and express purpose of revising the Articles of Confederation”. But the convention proposed a new Constitution which had a new mode of ratification and which created a new form of government. James Madison warned that those who secretly want a new Constitution would push for an Article V Convention under the pretext of “getting amendments”.

State Legislators need to open their eyes and see that while they are being used to get a Convention; they will have no power over the Convention; and won’t be able to do anything to stop a new Constitution with its own new mode of ratification from being imposed on us. State Legislatures must immediately rescind the applications for a convention they already sent to Congress.

Endnotes:

1 At the time the “BBA” organization prepared their chart, the applications they counted were non-rescinded. They counted 33 States with active applications on file with Congress. But thankfully, after their Chart was published, several of the States listed on their Chart wised-up and rescinded their applications. Other States whose previous applications for a convention are still active better rescind them before the Archivist gets her hands on them!

2 A member of Mark Meckler’s “COS” Legal Advisory Board, Princeton Law Professor Robert P. George, has already co-authored a new Constitution which grants massive new powers to a new federal government and imposes gun controls with red flag confiscations. Read it & tremble for your Country.

October 3, 2022 - Posted by | "convention of states", Article V, Article V Convention, constitutional convention, COS, Publius Huldah, re-writing the Constitution, Rep. Jodey Arrington, runaway convention, The Archivist of the United States | , , , ,

34 Comments »

  1. what we need is constitution education, less government and more personal responsibility.

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    Comment by Kenneth Raszmann | March 2, 2024 | Reply

    • Yes, Yes, & YES ! But Americans REFUSE to take responsibility – they’d rather see themselves as victims and suffer than man up and take responsibility and get to work to restore what we let slip thru our fingers.

      I don’t know how we can get them to see that this mess is THEIR fault.
      Here’s an excellent article https://newswithviews.com/its-my-own-damn-fault/

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      Comment by Publius Huldah | March 2, 2024 | Reply

  2. Here’s an excellent observation that confirms what you have been saying about this for several years. Not that you needed any confirmation. chuckling

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=247207

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    Comment by Grog | October 20, 2022 | Reply

    • Yes, the pro-convention person is an idiot who is mindlessly repeating “COS” talking points. The pro-convention person is an idiot for the reasons the other person pointed out plus – (1) No one at the convention of 1787 ever said that the purpose of an Article V Convention is to rein in the federal government when it violates the Constitution [see this: https://publiushuldah.files.wordpress.com/2022/07/how-to-get-a-new-constitution-6-28-22.pdf ];
      and further that Article V, US Constitution, doesn’t provide for a convention, controlled by the States, to address our federal Constitution. Instead, the Convention provided for at Article V is a federal convention, called by the federal gov’t, for the federal purpose of addressing our federal Constitution. The States have no power over the convention – all the States have the power to do is to apply to Congress for Congress to call the convention. Once that’s done, the States have nothing more to do with a convention. See, e.g., https://publiushuldah.files.wordpress.com/2022/02/state-legislatures-have-no-power-to-select-or-control-delegates-feb.-28-2022.pdf

      As to the person who commented on the COS bots comments, I say this: The States have no need to use any “force” against the federal gov’t – all the States – and local governments – and farmers – and hospitals – and educational institutions – and all our other institutions AND The People have to do is …… STOP TAKING THE MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOV’T !

      We are not victims of federal tyranny. We enthusiastically participated in federal tyranny by taking the money to participate in unconstitutional federal programs. E.g. any COS bot who preens his moral outrage over out of control federal spending BUT who takes Social Security and Medicare is a hypocrite!

      The Remedy our Brilliant Framers (Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton) advised for us is simply this….. we must refuse to submit to unconstitutional dictates of the federal gov’t. See this: https://publiushuldah.files.wordpress.com/2021/04/nullification-the-original-right-of-self-defense-1.pdf

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      Comment by Publius Huldah | October 22, 2022 | Reply

  3. The Constitution doesn’t need to be amended (except amendments to repeal Amendments 16 and 17). It needs to be studied and followed.

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    Comment by Blaine Nay | October 14, 2022 | Reply

  4. Great rebuke as usual !!

    No opinions, no rumors, just facts buttressed by documentation that refute globalist lies.

    Note the multiple “revenue sharing” amendments applied for in the past by multiple states. Greed and demands for a share of confiscated wealth is EVIL !!!

    Such wickedness is quite telling as State legislatures are, and have been part of the “SWAMP”. Reading comments in support of CoS by so-called conservative Representatives is nauseating and indicative of the constitutional illiteracy in America.
    Thank you PH!! You are a heavenly gift !!

    Blessings
    Mark

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    Comment by Mark | October 4, 2022 | Reply

    • That’s a good comment to see first thing in the Morning! Thank you!

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      Comment by Publius Huldah | October 5, 2022 | Reply

  5. Completely missing from this discussion is the fact that the “Congress” everyone is referring to is a corporation and not the Congress of the actual living, breathing American people. Corporations who provide government services can’t change contracts that the living American People have made with them; the Continental Congress has to be reassembled just as our 50 State Assemblies have been reassembled. Only then can any amendments or changes be made by a majority of the actual physical states. BTW, there is no need to make changes, only a need to put our federal subcontractors back in line where they belong.

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    Comment by American State Citizen | October 4, 2022 | Reply

    • Who dreams up this stuff? It is a myth that Congress is a private corporation. Go here: https://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/daily-commentary/
      and then scroll down to The U.S. government is NOT a Private Corporation!

      Read my post and then click on the link to read the article by Attorney Larry Becraft.

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      Comment by Publius Huldah | October 4, 2022 | Reply

  6. Ma’am, you are a wonderful lady and a scholar.

    Please send this to every “State” Senator, “State” Representative or “State” Delegate.

    God Bless you. Please keep up your wonderful love and care of our country.

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    Comment by mocogop58@yahoo.com | October 4, 2022 | Reply

    • Thank you! You made my Day!

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      Comment by Publius Huldah | October 4, 2022 | Reply

  7. Why don’t we enforce The Constitution as it is. I think the reason it is not being enforced is because there is no real mechanism, I can see to require it to be followed other than the honor of elected officials to abide by it. As we can see, over time The Constitution has been disregarded a bit at a time. This is what Dr. Martin Diamond my Political Science professor at Northern Illinois University in the early 1970’s called The Tyranny of a Marshmallow. Mark Levin calls it soft tyranny. Whatever you call it, our rights are taken away bit by bit until they are gone. As Joni Mitchell sang, “Don’t it always seem to go you don’t know what you have ’till it’s gone”

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    Comment by BRUCE ROBERT ISAACHSEN | October 3, 2022 | Reply

  8. Can’t say we didn’t try to warn people. But everyone thought they knew better.

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    Comment by Patricia dance | October 3, 2022 | Reply

    • and they had their own issues; or were distracted by the latest news; or were telling us that Trump had it all under control and to “Trust the Plan” – besides, the mass arrests had already started. And the Republican Legislators didn’t want controversy.

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      Comment by Publius Huldah | October 3, 2022 | Reply

      • The “ Trust the Plan” mentality was positively maddening. How many times have you said that we have enemies on our left and false friends on our right?

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        Comment by PatriciaDance | October 4, 2022 | Reply

        • The “Q” people I know fervently believed what they were saying. They spent much of their time following the “clues” – this, of course, prevented them from learning or doing anything productive. I do believe that “Q” was a black ops.

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          Comment by Publius Huldah | October 4, 2022 | Reply

          • Agree. My “q” friends fervently believed as well

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            Comment by PatriciaDance | October 4, 2022 | Reply

  9. PH,

    How many applications has Congress received for a Con-con? Since the applications will all be counted together, per the pending legislation, how many applications has Congress received as of today, October 3, 2022? If it’s close to the magic number of 34, then we need to get crackin’! We need to derail CoS ASAP!

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    Comment by MarkyMark | October 3, 2022 | Reply

    • We walk on the edge of a precipice – we better get rescissions before Arrington’s legislation passes.

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      Comment by Publius Huldah | October 3, 2022 | Reply

  10. Ma’am,

    When I first heard Mark Levin, aka the Grate One, talk about this (i.e. CoS), I was in favor; I was like YES, this is a great idea! Then again, I’d listen to Levin during my night commute after a long day’s work preceded by a morning commute. After an almost 12 hour day at that point, anything sounds good. Maybe that’s why the Grate One is on during drive time, so as to catch the masses in a state where they can’t think soundly? Also, I had the nagging feeling that it (i.e. CoS) sounded too good to be true; life experience and my Mom taught me that, if something sounds too good to be true, then it probably is. I did some searching, and I found myself here, among other places. PH soon became my go-to for all things CoS.

    After learning here and getting myself to think again, I was anti-CoS. I also looked differently at Levin. I no longer saw him as a conservative patriot trying to save America; I saw him, at best, as someone not telling the whole story, if not an outright traitor. The Grate One NEVER tells his audience the dangers of CoS-never! He never reminds them of the history of what can happen at a Con-con, as the late Phyllis Schlafly aptly called it. Whenever callers tried to discuss CoS with him, he’d mock and/or talk over them, then dump them going to break to head off a rebuttal the caller might have. I’ve thought about calling him about this, but I don’t know if it would be worth it. I called him once to discuss how gun background checks undermine the 2A; knowing I was right, he stealthily and skillfully derailed the call, then went to break before I could further make my point. I reckon he’d do the same if I pointed out any obvious problems with CoS during a subsequent call to him.

    Anyway, while the hostess, PH, has pointed out copious problems with CoS; while they’re all correct; they’re overkill when discussing the matter with people who are either pro CoS or agnostic about it. The one coup de grace that can be used is to ask the person a simple question of whether or not the Feds are already overreaching the COTUS; any semi-thinking person will say yes; then ask them how a new or amended COTUS would constrain the Feds when the present one has not. THAT’S IT!

    Another thing that can be done is to remind them of their history; remind them of what transpired at the 1787 Con-con in Philadelphia. Remind them that it was originally convened to amend our first Constitution, the Articles of Confederation. Remind them that the delegates were instructed and ordered by their respective state legislatures to do nothing but tweak the AoC (the Articles, NOT the notorious Congress critter from NYC!). Then, ask them what happened; if they’re honest, they’ll tell you that the delegates scrapped the AoC, and that they gave us the COTUS. Then, for the coup de grace, ask them the salient question: if it happened in 1787, WHY can it not happen again?

    In closing, undermining CoS is easy. First, ask if the present COTUS has restrained the Federal gov’t. If not (and it hasn’t!), then WHY would a revised, amended, or new COTUS do so? Then, ask them about 1787; if it happened once, then why can’t it (i.e. a runaway convention) not happen again? Those two arguments right there NUKE CoS!

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    Comment by MarkyMark | October 3, 2022 | Reply

    • I don’t know Levin and don’t know what is in his mind. However, I believe that his long-time Sponsor is Americans for Prosperity, and they are a Koch-front organization. The Kochs are the major funders on the fake right for an Article V Convention.

      Years ago, I used to listen to Levin’s show, but found him to be intellectually shallow and just plain wrong on much of what he said about the Constitution. I also thought he was rude. One day, a woman called (if my recollection is correct, she said she was a lawyer). She was challenging him on something he had said – and she was polite and making sound points. He cut her off and asked, “What are your measurements?”

      I turned him off and have never listened to him again. I believe him to be a demagogue in addition to being a boor and extremely discourteous to callers. I also think he is an air head.

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      Comment by Publius Huldah | October 3, 2022 | Reply

      • Completely agree about your assessment of Levin, PH. Anyone who lets himself be called the great one can’t be trusted IMO. Jesus said to beware when men shall speak all manner of well about you. ( Luke 6:26)

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        Comment by PatriciaDance | October 4, 2022 | Reply

  11. Was wondering if you were ever going to post again! 👏🏽

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    Comment by Barbara Hosler | October 3, 2022 | Reply

    • I’ve been on the road! working, not vacation. But when I retire, I’ll work in my garden all day.

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      Comment by Publius Huldah | October 3, 2022 | Reply

      • Don’t ever retire, PH. There’s only a handful speaking the truth.

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        Comment by PatriciaDance | October 4, 2022 | Reply

    • Completely agree about your assessment of Levin, PH. Anyone who lets himself be called the great one can’t be trusted IMO. Jesus said to beware when men shall speak all manner of well about I was. ( Luke 6:26)

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      Comment by PatriciaDance | October 4, 2022 | Reply

  12. Let’s see the new, improved constitution that must already exist in waiting for the big bamboozle Article V convention BEFORE another 9-11 event or worse is used to justify the reinvention of founding documents.
    Does anyone doubt that the so-called “Patriot Act” was fully written and waiting on the shelf for the 9-11 event to justify speedy implementation?
    When the existing Constitution is ignored–not enforced–there is no assurance that a ‘new, improved’ constitution can correct the problems.

    A ‘con-con’ is a con. Time for a leak of the new, improved constitution.

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    Comment by rediscover911com | October 3, 2022 | Reply

  13. This is what I learned when I first heard you speak. Is it okay to share this blog post?

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    Comment by Pat Bruegger | October 3, 2022 | Reply

    • Yes! Please do! thanks!

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      Comment by Publius Huldah | October 3, 2022 | Reply

  14. Reblogged this on Starvin Larry.

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